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Essential Principle: The atmosphere constantly interacts with other components of the Earth system. (Second Chance)

Group Participants: Wendy Abshire (Facilitator), Kristin Conrad (OPL), ...  (apologies that I missed the introductions of participants...)

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General comments before going into specific FCs

  • There is a proposal to combine 3, 5, and 6.
  • There is a proposal to  bring in Goddard examples under 1
  • Need to introduce "feedback" concept
  •  The group is pasting (between documents) specific comments that came in from the Goddard group as examples under some of these FCs.   Unfortunately, I cannot type them in by hand that quickly.  I'll try to get the gist...
  • Group is combining some of these FCs, so I will start a new list below current version.
  • "Spheres need to be defined
  • FCs 2,3,5,and 6 were about ways of describing/teaching about a "system"


The group is spending the first 10 minutes writing their comments and edits on sticky notes to revise the FCs, below.  I will write the edited statements and some comments below each original.  Stay tuned...

#1 The atmospheric processes interact and transfer energy and matter with other components of the Earth system such as: water, ice, land, and living things.  For example, hurricane formation, carbon cycle, etc.

  • delete hurricane formation
  • separate into the different Goddard examples
  • drop "interact"


#2  Prediction of atmospheric phenomena requires knowledge/understanding of the components and the interaction of components of the system. Example, blizzards.

  • delete this - it does not belong under this EP.
  • this is too detailed for this level
  • Blizzard is not a good example

#3  Interactions of components of the Earth's system produce (emergent) phenomena unique to the system.  For example, abrupt climate change.  (another example would be the ozone hole)

  • abrupt climate change already discussed in another principle
  • delete ozone hole reference
  • some people do not like the word "emergent"
  • ....could result in phenomenon that are unique

#4  Sustainability requires understanding and reaction to the system.  The planet cannot be maintained/sustained without humans changing their interactions with the Earth system.

  • deleted this one

#5  Within the atmosphere there are biogeochemical cycles which vary across timescales.

  • slight rewording

#6  Historical interactions between the atmosphere and other systems affect current behavoir of the atmosphere 

  • keep this

 #1:  Atmospheric processes interact with the other components of the Earth system via both energy and matter transfer such as: living things, water, ice, and land.

  •    NASA/GODDARD examples G1 - G3 are here...

 #2:  Delete

 #3:  Interactions of components of the Earth's system cause changes and produce (emergent) phenomena unique to the system.

 #4.  delete

 #5.  There are biogeochemical cycles that vary across various time scales that affect the atmosphere.

#6.  Historical interactions between the atmosphere and other systems affect current behavoir of the atmosphere 

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