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Mick Coady: Not only this machine but systems all over the world are being delayed because of you know, supply chain shortages also we other systems like ours and throughout the United States are getting their priorities are getting bumped by do we and do D.
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Mick Coady: If you think that would be again acceptable or, if you would prefer to maintain the monthly cadence that we've been doing so again you're you're walking provide feedback right now but.
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Mick Coady: All right, okay thanks thanks for joining us and talk to you all soon, and please don't hesitate to reach out to me if you have any other questions okay.
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Mick Coady: All right, take care, everybody.
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Matthias Rempel: Thank you.
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Haiying Xu: hi Thank you.
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Mick Coady: Thank you.